What Car Has Changed the Most?

"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley) 10/30/2018 at 16:13 • Filed to: COFL Asks Oppo

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We all know that cars are massive, heavy and expensive these days when compared to their predecessors. What continuous nameplate has evolved the most over time? Again, no bastardized re-introduced nameplates like the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross or anything.

I’m always shocked about how big so called “small cars” are. My Fiesta is gigantic compared to the first gens.

My main choice would be the Civic. It was all an econobox when it came out and now is massive and expensive. See also Corolla.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:20

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Chevy Suburban. Chevy Impala. Chevy Malibu. Chevy _____. 

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:20

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Original vs the new lifted cladded AWD Pl ug In Hybrid

Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:20

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id argue the civic hasnt changed much.

you can still follow its progression over the course of its generations.

If anything id say SUV’s from utilitarian to completely luxury

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 10/30/2018 at 16:20

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That’s probably a pretty strong candidate.

benjrblant > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:21

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BMW 3-series certainly isn’t what it used to be.

Arguably still BMW’s entry level vehicle but a far cry from the affordable fabric-and-manual car it once was.

dogisbadob > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:24

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The Chevy Suburban. Continuous evolution since 1930

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:24

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I think the Civic is now a bit larger than the first Accord. Accord is another good one, especially the 1976 original vs some of the big 2010s models.

Mini will probably win it though:

OPPOsaurus WRX > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:26

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CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:26

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My vote would maybe be Dodge Ram Pickups. I will use the actual RAM branding rather than any dodge pickup.

Old:225, 318 or 360 (or cummins diesel). Pretty simple and affordable.

New:

Expensive in top trim, massive touch screen/luxury appointments, HUGE wheels.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:26

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welp.... me brother in law now drives a new hilux...... its bigly

Urambo Tauro > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:26

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Tough question, as it depends on where you draw the line on nameplate bastardization. The Eclipse is certainly an egregious example of this, as is the Lumina . And while not everyone thinks it matters, I’m certainly the kind of guy who rejects the notion of a FWD Monte Carlo. One does not simply “evolve” a RWD car into a wrong-wheel drive one .

Tristan > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:31

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Mustang. From re-skinned Falcon “secretary’s car” at its inception, to muscle car in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s , to econobox in the mid ‘70s , to the re-birth of muscl e in the ‘80s, gradually evoloving through the ‘90s and ‘00s, and finally growing up to a true all around and fairly refined performance car.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Tristan 10/30/2018 at 16:33

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What about that? Talk about slow to fast.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 10/30/2018 at 16:35

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The Suburban went from a high capacity work truck to a cumbersome, less practical minivan. I think that suggestion wins. 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:35

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There are many name plates you could pick that would give a stark difference between first generation and the latest. My pick would be the Australian Commodore. But that’s just life.

In the end, most of these vehicles are still the same in terms of their intent and purpose and even their layout (mostly). They do the same things, mostly in the same way but they look a bit different.

In many ways, the Mini is, as others have pointed out, the ideal candidate. Not because of the obvious difference but because the original Issigonis version was intended as cheap and accessible transport for anyone who wanted transport...whereas the new ones are intended from the get go to be premium vehicles. A complete shift in intent and purpose.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 10/30/2018 at 16:36

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I think I agree, yeah

AestheticsInMotion > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:39

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Despite the fact that there were only two generations, I think a strong case could be made for the NSX

Svend > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:39

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That isn’t a first gen.It’s a Mk2.

The first gen (Mk1) was smaller still than the Mk2.

Mk1 1976-1983

Mk2 1983-1989

Mk3 19 89-1997

Mk4 1995-2002

Mk5 2003-2008

etc...

carcrasher88 > Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No 10/30/2018 at 16:50

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In some ways, I’d agree with you on the Civic, but...

...yeah.

Tristan > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:50

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Good example!

Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No > carcrasher88 10/30/2018 at 16:52

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but only because you choose to ignore 4 previous Type R generations, ANNND not including the non Type R

Your logic can be applied to anything if you compare the very fir st to the very last of one thing.

Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 16:57

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Not still being made, but Chevy Nova.

InFierority Complex > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 17:04

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:P

carcrasher88 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 17:11

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Kia Sportage:

RWD/AWD with actuall off road capability , in a sense, a South Korean Vitara/Tracker. Could be bought with a 5-speed manual transmission.

FWD/AWD with limited... if any... off road capability, no manual option in the US.

BMW 6-Series:

Stylish German Grand Tourer

Awkwardly styled RWD/AWD hatchback

Ford Territory:

Falcon based RWD/AWD crossover with actual off road chops.

Rebadged Yusheng S330 , powered by an outdated Mitsubishi engine (built under license), itself based on the Landwind X7, the notorious Range Rover Evoque knockoff.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 17:18

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Dodge Caravan.

Started life as a minivan, with fun drivetrain options and versatile seating, in a lightweight package.

Now it’s an overweight pig, with a torqueless engine, and rolly suspension.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 10/30/2018 at 17:20

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You’re comparing a model to a brand though. It’s like saying a Mercedes S Class is nothing like a Patent Motorwagen. You can still trace the DNA of a new Cooper back to the original Mini. 

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > fintail 10/30/2018 at 17:23

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You can trace the DNA of the Mini though. It’s still the same basic concept, just bigger like everything else is.

DipodomysDeserti > benjrblant 10/30/2018 at 17:30

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My ‘83 BMW 325e with a manual transmission and cloth seats had a sticker price of around $22k. Only options it had were a sunroof and an LSD. That’s about $55k today.  I don’t think the 3 series was ever really an affordable car, as least a new one.  You just used to get less for your money.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 17:35

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Not super special cars, but the changes are plentiful and t hese 2 are only ~ 6 years apart.

DipodomysDeserti > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 17:44

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The ‘73 Civic retailed for $2,150, and was pricier than the Pinto and the Vega . That’s about $12k in todays money, which is $6k less than you can get a Civic for today . However, the average price of a car in 1970 was only about $3,500, whereas today is over $36,000. So the new Civic is actually more of an economy car than the old one if you look at how the prices of new cars have inflated.

RT > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 17:52

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Chevrolet Suburban. Simply because it stretches back the furthest.

/ thread

AfromanGTO > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 18:13

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Suburban . Look at the first year and todays.

gmctavish needs more space > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 18:14

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LandCruiser

Captain of the Enterprise > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 18:41

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Saw this size comparison the other day at the pharmacy

The Ex cursion and current F150 are basically the same size now.

ranwhenparked > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 18:50

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That’s a good choice - the first Corvette was actually GM trying to do an Americanized version of the little British roadsters American servicemen took a liking to during WWII; blended with some stylistic influences taken from the early California Ku stom scene.

Its come quite a way from an American proto-Miata. 

ranwhenparked > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 10/30/2018 at 18:52

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And is bigger than the full-size vans the original Caravan was created to be smaller than. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 18:54

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The days of the simple sturdy pickup truck are long gone. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > benjrblant 10/30/2018 at 18:57

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But the 1 and now 2 series are BMW entry level car.

BWM has fallen victim to its own hype. It’s moved upmarket just like Honda. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/30/2018 at 19:00

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I know. My D100 had 14 inch wheels and has like 80hp. But I have taken shit to the dump, picked up tons of tiles and routinely put bikes in it.

More than most truck drivers.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 19:00

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The entire Honda line up. From affordable basic cars to mod range and fancy turbocharged cars. The whole range moved up market and size so much that the my had to invent the Fit and HR-V to take place if the Civic and CR-V

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 19:02

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Yeah but can you brag about it? Does it tell every one that you’ve made it? Does it make you look successful? If not you’ve done something wrong and need to do better. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/30/2018 at 19:04

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oh shit! Here comes Warren Buffett

!

OmerCarrothers333 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 20:03

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That gray Dodge Ram pick up, the old one not the new one, is just so “perfect”. It’s the right size, just a few straight lines, no weird creases.

The new Ram? It’s fucking obscene.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > OmerCarrothers333 10/30/2018 at 20:04

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Thanks! I love my little truck

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/truck-pic-dump-1828522162

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 20:10

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Easy. Porsche duh

:)

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/30/2018 at 20:44

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The Mercedes SL started off as a road racer and is now a big comfy cruiser.

fintail > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 10/30/2018 at 21:12

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I don’t know. The Mini was also minimalist and revolutionary - two things you can’t call the 21st century model . The new one is just another somewhat plump hatch with retro flair.

pip bip - choose Corrour > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/31/2018 at 05:05

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Holden Commodore?

1st pic VB-VL series 1978-88

2nd pic VN-VS series 1988-1997

3rd pic VT-VZ series 1997-2006

4th pic VE-VF series 2006-2017

5th pic ZB series 2017 to present

but the most likely answer is Suburban

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > ranwhenparked 10/31/2018 at 07:00

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I really wanted one when we were looking at new vans a while back. After driving a few, they can keep them. All the new vans are like that, only exception being the Ford Transit Connect. The TC feels huge inside, but drives like a car. My only gripe with that one is the lack of an NA V6.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 10/31/2018 at 14:45

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Toyota Land Cruiser

Utilitarian truck turns into a mini-van.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > OmerCarrothers333 11/01/2018 at 14:54

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Though if you option the new Ram the same way it looks way better

Spasoje > fintail 11/01/2018 at 17:11

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I ’ m s u r p r i s e d t h a t t h e h o o d s l i n e u p a l m o s t p e r f e c t l y , g i v e n h o w m u c h b i g g e r e v e r y o t h e r p a r t h a s g o t t e n !

Spasoje > carcrasher88 11/01/2018 at 17:12

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F o r d r e - b a d g e d a C h i n e s e c a r ? ? W h a t t h e actual fuck

fintail > Spasoje 11/01/2018 at 17:53

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The wheel size amuses me.